1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,000 This is John Keel in New York City. 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:11,000 The date is November 18, 1968. 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:15,000 Recently I moved from one apartment to another here in New York, 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:21,000 and in the process of moving I came across a box of old acetate recordings, 5 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:28,000 radio programs that I had written and produced some 16, 17 years ago in Europe. 6 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:33,000 All I was serving were the American Forces Network in Germany. 7 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:39,000 One of these shows dealt with unidentified flying objects, 8 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:45,000 and as you know acetate deteriorates rather rapidly, 9 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,000 and these are the discs that are beginning to... 10 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:55,000 ...aware out, and so I've tried to transfer some of them onto tape. 11 00:00:55,000 --> 00:01:03,000 And what follows is the tape recording of the original acetate transcription 12 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:10,000 of a show called Things in the Sky, which was aired in 1952 in Germany. 13 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,000 It was broadcast throughout Europe. 14 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:19,000 AFN, the American Forces Network, is a large network of radio stations 15 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,000 operated by the Army for the entertainment of troops overseas. 16 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:29,000 You've heard of AFRS, I'm sure they maintain similar networks in the Orient 17 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,000 and throughout the world. 18 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:35,000 They also now have some television stations too. 19 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:45,000 Well, the program you are about to hear was written about the time of the big 1952 flat, 20 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:49,000 and I collected material from all kinds of sources over there 21 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:54,000 and put together the show, and it was aired for the troops in Europe. 22 00:01:54,000 --> 00:02:01,000 It's very interesting in listening to this old show to see how very little progress 23 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,000 we've made in the last 16 years. 24 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:09,000 Most of the things that are stated on this program are still being stated 25 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:14,000 by the latter day authorities on the subject, 26 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:20,000 and the controversy has not been diminished one bit. 27 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,000 The acting on this program is rather hammy. 28 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:31,000 Most of the performers, all of the performers, were GIs serving with the American Forces Network. 29 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:39,000 A number of them have since gone on to become celebrities in radio and television here in the United States. 30 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:46,000 You will hear one voice in particular, that of William Wolfe, who is now working with CBS in Hollywood, 31 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:54,000 and Mr. Wolfe has appeared very briefly in Dr. Strange's film 7.7. 32 00:02:54,000 --> 00:03:03,000 Though Wolfe has had a lifelong interest in the unusual, and he's still very interested in UFOs, 33 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:08,000 I last saw it all about 1965 when I was in Hollywood. 34 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:15,000 The other voices you probably won't recognize, and some of them are really rank amateurs, as you will. 35 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:21,000 Here we sometimes had to enlist everybody in the place, the engineers and so on, 36 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:25,000 and some of these little dramatizations that we slapped together. 37 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:35,000 But as I say, the program is interesting primarily because it shows how little progress we have made, 38 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:42,000 and how little our ideas of the subject have changed in the last 16 years. 39 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:51,000 You will hear references to Charles Ford, and to the various theories, the mirage theories and so on. 40 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:58,000 But overall, in listening to this program again after I hadn't heard it in many years, 41 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:09,000 I was rather pleased to find that it is quite objective, that it tries to present several of the different aspects of the problem, 42 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:16,000 and it tries to give you an overall view of the thing in approximately 15 minutes. 43 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:28,000 Here then is our own little time machine. We go back 16 years to Germany in 1952 to things in the sky. 44 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:56,000 So our fans, I could have listened to the facts on the strings of the phenomenon of modern times. 45 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:01,000 The facts on the things in the sky. 46 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,000 There's something in the sky! 47 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:41,000 In the 70s, when the Soviet Union was under the control of the Soviet Union, 48 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:48,000 the Soviet Union was under the control of the Soviet Union, 49 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:55,000 and the Soviet Union was under the control of the Soviet Union, 50 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:59,000 and that's what I'm going to explain. 51 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:07,000 That incident occurred in 1904, less than a year after the Wright brothers and neighbors first successful flight at City Hawk. 52 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:12,000 There were not three complete flying machines in existence at that time. 53 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:30,000 20 years earlier on November 30, 1880, an Italian astronomer named Signor Ricca was making some routine observations of the Sun at the observatory at Palermo. 54 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:38,000 At 8.30 that morning he was setting the Sun to a telescope when suddenly a formation of strange objects crossed his view. 55 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:42,000 It will flap back shapes flying in two parallel lines. 56 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:49,000 Some of the waves of cold air swept over him as he realized that the objects were flying at a height of almost 100 miles, 57 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:53,000 power on any living thing could go. 58 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:59,000 Signor Ricca's official report was filed away in the archives of the astronomical society, 59 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,000 and forgotten for many years. 60 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:11,000 But in the early 1920s his observations were uncovered by a serious little man who had become the hero of the flying saucer story. 61 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:19,000 His name was Charles Swart, and he devoted his life to collecting facts on strange phenomena which signs could not explain. 62 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:27,000 In the shabby looking little man, there were always most whose claws unpressed on his thick round mustache whistling with gillipopry. 63 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:35,000 He set most of his life in two places, the most in reading rooms of the New York Public Library and the halls of the British Museum in London. 64 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:42,000 He patiently collected all of the abby books of information which were looking in among the back pages of all newspapers. 65 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:49,000 Fantastic information which he assembled and published in a series of books which were last sat by the general winning public. 66 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:55,000 But all of those books were considered to be the best source for information on the flying saucer mystery. 67 00:07:55,000 --> 00:08:01,000 We can't help but wonder what Charles Swart could say if he knew his work was finally being accepted. 68 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:10,000 I would say that there are things between heaven and earth where you're ungrateful and you're strattenship of the world for life. 69 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,000 Who's that? 70 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,000 For us, the name Charles Swart. 71 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,000 But he's not in 1932. 72 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:21,000 As long as my books are around, I'll still be alive. 73 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:22,000 Yes, yes, yes. 74 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,000 Tell us, what if you get all those facts? 75 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,000 Find them and I can be in few spaces. 76 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,000 I can check every fact. 77 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,000 Check them carefully. 78 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:33,000 Why there's even passages of Bible that mentions wheels in the sky. 79 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:38,000 There are many old women legends that are strange flying saucers. 80 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,000 Flying works but are nothing new. 81 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,000 If you know so much about them, what are they? 82 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,000 Can you tell us what? 83 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,000 No man is a man for that question. 84 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,000 You think they come from Mars or from another planet? 85 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:51,000 I don't know. 86 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:58,000 In 1978, made that chance to be exact, an extraordinary man, W. Hamburg, was standing the moon. 87 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:04,000 And in the middle of the day, he frightened me with a submarine, a lip of implant, a light flickering in the surface. 88 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:14,000 He caught a memory of the sun at the place of two, and then in the next twelve months, a family of other women were found saying 1,600 separate places of life on the moon. 89 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,000 No one has ever explained them. 90 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,000 And what have they got to do with flying saucers? 91 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:25,000 Well, about the same time, the world of floating was caught by strange things in the sky. 92 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:31,000 On March 27, 1978, many people saw an odd circular object in the L. O. E. London. 93 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:36,000 You can read about it in the O. O. M. Journal of the World with a logical society. 94 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:41,000 And in the year 2000, the British saw a great fit of greenish life. 95 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:46,000 Even the scientists, the oil and mineral in the image was listed. 96 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:54,000 They estimated that it was 133 miles above the Earth, and was traveling at a speed of about 10 miles per second. 97 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,000 Can you guess where the meteor is? 98 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,000 I think that the astronomers will know a meteor when they see one. 99 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:04,000 The guy needs to maneuver it though, by some intelligence. 100 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:08,000 But we have no real conclusive proof that there is great. 101 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:09,000 None of them are ever landed. 102 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:13,000 And it's not a problem that people assume that they don't exist. 103 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:24,000 In April of 1897, every news paper in the country was telling some great stories about a huge cigar-shaped object, which was cruising along Chicago. 104 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:30,000 My first huge white light passed over all the houses. Probably one of those people saw it. 105 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,000 And you mentioned all those things in the book? 106 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,000 Yes, some of them. 107 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:42,000 For example, the funeral of Alain de la Troye in 1873, was reigned in four of the characters that we have in the book. 108 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,000 What are the names of these? 109 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,000 Well, the best ones. 110 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:52,000 The one that is used by the modern buffers, which they're called, the books of the Dan. 111 00:10:52,000 --> 00:11:02,000 News papers usually find me some amongst those. 112 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:09,000 Big news stories are generally scarce, and so the cross-agents and projectivity hounds will appeal to them. 113 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:16,000 The papers of stories with scrupulous stories about movie stars and the occupiers have not got symbols. 114 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:21,000 Well, the men of the town, for these marks, they call it the silly season. 115 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:27,000 It's the season of beauty contest and silly news stories that the ordinary never appeal in front. 116 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:31,000 The season I remember best began in June of 1947. 117 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:35,000 A pilot named Thomas Armour was flying over the state of Washington. 118 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:43,000 Armour, the oppressed mountaineer, he started a formation of men, scatter like flames, flying like geese and a guide in a line. 119 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:53,000 They shared one amount of a high peak to the speed which Armour estimated to be about 1,000 miles per hour. 120 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:59,000 Armour's course lasted across the country, and within a month, flying jets of the mid-1941. 121 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:09,000 And Armour wanted to get his name in the paper, but only to report that he or she had seen a flying saucer. 122 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:17,000 Morning, Granted. Hello, this is Hal Vinsky. I'm a wealth man, and this morning while I was covering my route, I saw three funny-looking things in the sky. 123 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:21,000 They were funny? I just saw a big round thing in the air. It flew right over my car. 124 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:26,000 Hey, that's right. They were about a dozen of these saucers. They circled my house, and then they made it about half a foot. 125 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:41,000 A lot of the reports were from the whole country was alarmed, and the flying saucer's scur had a new peak. 126 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:49,000 Finders in government officials' scouts, they tried to explain that the saucers were merely the product of massive scur. 127 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:58,000 Then they did blame the members of the Union. The saucers were also appearing over Europe and Russia, and the Soviet was blaming them on us. 128 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:05,000 The off-road part of their special group called Operation Slaughter, and they investigated each reprofitting them. 129 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:11,000 Most of them they found were gamblers. However, now and then, they uncovered a disturbing case. 130 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:15,000 Many prominent and reputable men reported saucer studies. 131 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:21,000 Governors, senators, top news government and leading scientists claimed they were witness to the phenomenon. 132 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:31,000 For example, in the summer of 1948, crowd W. Campbell, the astronomer who discovered the planet Cuba, was sitting on the yard of his home with his wife. 133 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:39,000 Suddenly, something was silently overhead, something that was too fast to be a brain and too slow to be a meteor. 134 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:43,000 He described it as some kind of shattered ship over space. 135 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:52,000 Campbell reported for a resumption reported to the Samoan pilot, that the plane was found in the Copilot John B. Wider. 136 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:57,000 The plane was seen a long, rocket-like ship in July of 1948. 137 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:06,000 One of the strangest incidents in the flying saucer's scur occurred in 1947, and a flying disk was reported to Christ in New Mexico. 138 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:10,000 The armistice stopped the plane to pick up the remains of the craft. 139 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:16,000 Next to this plane was returning, it crashed, and all the men on board were killed. 140 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:20,000 If they had learned anything about the saucer, they would be good-bye with him. 141 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:35,000 There's a Mike Graham speaking from Birmingham, New Mexico. 142 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,000 The 2000 inhabitants of this little town will never forget this, until 1950. 143 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:45,000 For the past two weeks, the skies of the Birmingham have been literally forming with strange spiritual objects. 144 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:52,000 I'm standing now in the roof of the local bank, watching a large formation of these things as they maneuver overhead. 145 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:59,000 Few civil men and radio commentators from all over the country have gathered here to watch this fantastic spectacle. 146 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:05,000 These weird things are flying at an altitude which is beyond the reach of our fighter plane. 147 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:10,000 For two weeks, they've been conducting an amazing aerial circus above this town. 148 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:14,000 It's impossible to count over just a minute, and there must be hundreds. 149 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,000 And the citizens of this town have been watching. 150 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:23,000 For two weeks in the summer of 1913, New Mexico has been an uproar of the same things that were happening in San Antonio. 151 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:28,000 Long time ago, the big promise that the incident was forgotten. 152 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:39,000 Since 1977, there have been thousands of flying saucer's scur. 153 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,000 Now, the same kind of a new family. 154 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,000 Actually, photographs of people's faces and faces. 155 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,000 Thousands of others have been photographed. 156 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:50,000 Here are several of these things that are still there, and there are some other things about the saucer's. 157 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:55,000 Some of these pictures were scurred of these sites, but a few of those pictures have been published. 158 00:15:55,000 --> 00:16:01,000 The best group of flying jets photographs were taken by an 18-year-old boy named Carl Hart. 159 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:08,000 On August 30th, 1951, he managed to get five shots of some 18 or 20-millimeter copies in flight. 160 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:13,000 To help us, he found nothing he was judgment about pictures and he even found it, but examined them closely. 161 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:21,000 So, I'm concluded that the objects in the photographs were, again, 50,000 feet in the air, and were covering around 18,000 miles per hour. 162 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:29,000 But, of course, recently released the photographs of the perfect saucer's with the photographs of an hour's station in San Luis, Massachusetts. 163 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:35,000 Last month, as the city season got underway, a group of flying saucers were detected by radar in the space. 164 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,000 First one, there was been a fresh avalanche of saucer stories. 165 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:44,000 Food and Sciences, to inspect new things, have observed the mysterious objects over early installation. 166 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,000 Now, status claims have been received in the graphic search. 167 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,000 What are they? 168 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:56,000 Well, maybe a dollar each keyhole, half out of the books for flying saucers are real, has been called, 169 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:02,000 but he believes they may be observed a unit from another planet, unit from the photograph on the German power planet. 170 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:09,000 Then scientists, scientists, are nearly apical illusions, reflections, and cloud formations. 171 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:14,000 The latest theory is that the phenomenon is caused by drifting photos of ionized air. 172 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:20,000 Oranges might be both if we all adopted Dr. Albert Einstein's attitude. 173 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:25,000 When he was recently asked for his opinion on the flying disk phenomenon, he replied, 174 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:33,000 These people have seen something, what it is that they do not know, and I am not curious to find out. 175 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:52,000 You have been looking through the things in the sky, such as programs based upon facts collected by the United States Air Force and leading American magazine. 176 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:56,000 Each of these facts can be fully documented by the authorities involved. 177 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:01,000 There are a misdemeanors by the reals, Zales, and Bob Harlan, and Ken Dunigan. 178 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:06,000 And both of those are just used, such as X, Y, T, and B, and B. 179 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:13,000 This control on the flying saucer mission is written and produced in our center studios by two of two Johnny Keel, 180 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,000 German hour-welfare city. 181 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,000 .